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âHobbes is also OBJECTIVE it that he is shown doing things that Calvin does not know about.â
Since you said âI did indeed say that Calvin COULD imagine Hobbes doing things when he was aloneâ, Hobbes doing things alone is evidence of nothing.
Also, since subjective means not objective, and vice versa, your claim that the reality of Hobbes is âbothâ objective and subjective is an âA is A and not Aâ absurdity. It makes you astoundingly ignorant, insane, or both. I quote again:
The Law of Non-Contradiction is a foundational principle in both classical and modern logicâŚthis law states that contradictory statements cannot both be true at the same time and in the same senseâŚ. itâs integral to the way we think, reason, and understand reality.
So youâre not interested in reason or even thought.
âThis strip could be seen as Calvin imagining Hobbesâ
Previously, you said âHobbes MUST have objective realityâ. Now youâre contradicting yourself. Thanks for backing off.
The meaning of the word objective is:
of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers
You and Watterson agree that the LIVING Hobbes is perceptible ONLY by Calvin. Therefore, he is NOT objectively real by the very meaning of the word objective. YOU SAID âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ. Therefore, you admit multiple times that the LIVING Hobbes is imaginary.
âI know that there are grounds for believing that Watterson made a false assumptionâ
There are more than âgroundsâ. Since Calvin ENJOYED the treehouse fight with Hobbes, and he obviously WOULD do something he enjoys, Wattersonâs âsuspicionâ about Hobbes being real CLEARLY had no basis.
âbut it is still the assumption on which he based the fictional character of Hobbes.â
Nonsense. Hereâs the quote again:
WATTERSON: I really have absolutely no knowledge about imaginary friends. It would seem to me, though, that when you make up a friend for yourself, you would (you lied and claimed he said could) have somebody to agree with you, not to argue with you. So Hobbes is more real than I suspect any kid would dream up.
So his assumption was the basis for his âsuspicionâ that Hobbes is real, NOT the basis for the character per se.
âAs for your claim that something cannot be both SUBJECTIVE and OBJECTIVE, I have pointed outâŚ. Wattersonâs view that Hobbes is part of âthe subjective nature of realityââ
I know you have. So Watterson said the nature of Hobbes is subjective. The definition of subjective is:
Dependent on or taking place in a personâs mind rather than the external world.
So both you and Watterson agree that the LIVING Hobbes is dependent on or taking place in a personâs mind (Calvinâs). You also said âYOU convinced me that purely subjective reality would mean that he IS imaginaryâ. So you again admit that Hobbes IS imaginary. Thanks for admitting that Hobbes is imaginary multiple times.
âmost characters see Hobbes as a doll whereas Calvin sees Hobbes as a living beingâ
You said âcharacters (no âmostâ) in the strip see him differently from how Calvin sees himâ. So you contradict yourself. And youâre lying again. It isnât âmostâ characters. Itâs ALL other characters. Watterson said â nobody else sees him, sees Hobbes, in the way that Calvin doesâ.
I wonder if dried prunes taste much different than raisins (dried grapes) do. Watterson sure sounds like he didnât care much for oatmeal or exercise (running generates quite a bit of body heat, so 20 degrees would feel much less cold after awhile).
Watterson said ânobody else sees him, sees Hobbes, in the way that Calvin does.â You said âcharacters in the strip see him differently from how Calvin sees himâ.
The meaning of the word objective is:
of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers
You and Watterson agree that the LIVING Hobbes is perceptible ONLY by Calvin. Therefore, he is NOT objectively real by the very meaning of the word objective. YOU SAID âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ. Therefore, you admit that the LIVING Hobbes is imaginary.
And since you ALSO said that âI agree with Bill Watterson that Hobbes is âan example of the subjective nature of realityââ AND YOU said âYOU convinced me that purely subjective reality would mean that he IS imaginaryâ, you again admit that Hobbes IS imaginary.
You also said âI am NOT arguing that Hobbes is real.â Thanks for admitting multiple times that Hobbes is imaginary.
âAs to your claim that Wattersonâs stated view âI suspect that he is more real than any kid would make upâ was based on a false assumption, it does not matter whether fiction was based on a false assumption. Watterson showed that he was NOT basing Hobbes on what he thought Calvin WOULD imagine.â
It isnât just my claim, itâs a fact. Youâre failing logic again. Hereâs the full quote:
WATTERSON: I really have absolutely no knowledge about imaginary friends. It would seem to me, though, that when you make up a friend for yourself, you would (you lied and claimed he said could) have somebody to agree with you, not to argue with you. So Hobbes is more real than I suspect any kid would dream up.
Watterson was basing his âsuspicionâ that Hobbes is real on his ASSUMPTION that âwhen you make up a friend for yourself, you would have somebody to agree with you, not to argue with you.â
But since Calvin ENJOYED the treehouse fight with Hobbes, and he obviously WOULD do something he enjoys, Wattersonâs âsuspicionâ about Hobbes being real (NOT the âfictionâ) had no basis.
âSo youâre not interested in reason or even thought.â
âYou are WRONG again.â
No, I am RIGHT. Since subjective means not objective, and vice versa, your claim that the reality of Hobbes is âbothâ objective and subjective is an âA is A and not Aâ absurdity. It makes you astoundingly ignorant, insane, or both. I quote again:
The Law of Non-Contradiction is a foundational principle in both classical and modern logicâŚthis law states that contradictory statements cannot both be true at the same time and in the same senseâŚ. itâs integral to the way we think, reason, and understand reality.
So youâre not interested in reason or even thought.
âHobbes is shown as alive when he is alone and that he looks directly at us and speaks directly to us.â
Since you said âI did indeed say that Calvin COULD imagine Hobbes doing things when he was aloneâ, Hobbes alone is evidence of nothing. You also said âalthough Hobbes speaking directly to us made it unlikely.â
âunlikelyâ and âCOULDâ directly contradict your claim that Hobbes âMUSTâ have objective reality. Thanks for backing off.
Both the books and the series did capture me right away.