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- about 1 hour ago on Calvin and Hobbes
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about 1 hour ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âhe concluded, âHobbes is more to do with the subjective nature of realityââ
Yes, you said âI agree with Bill Watterson that Hobbes is subjectiveâŚ.. I agree with Watterson that Hobbes is an example of the subjective nature of reality.â
YOU said âYou convinced me that subjective reality WOULD mean that Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.â So YOU therefore logically admit that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind. Thanks for your admission.
And again, your metaphysics (and Wattersonâs) are godawful. Both of you attempt a ludicrous false equivalence between subjective perception and thinking that an inanimate object is alive. For example, one person may perceive chocolate as delicious and another person may perceive it as awful tasting, but no rational person would say that such a difference in perception is the same as thinking that a chocolate bar is alive.
âWE see Hobbes as Calvin sees him when no oneâŚis presentâ
Again, so what? We see many things as Calvin sees them: Alien worlds, Calvin in the vacuum of space in a toy wagon, Calvin the size of a galaxy, etc. Obviously, readers seeing such things doesnât mean they are real in the world of the strip. Since you said âI did indeed say that Calvin COULD imagine Hobbes doing things when he was aloneâ, and âI agree that the strips of Hobbes on his own are not actual evidenceâ, such instances are meaningless as supportive of anything.
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about 1 hour ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âI have explained many times thatâŚ.Hobbes MUST have objective realityâ
Youâre pathetically trying to run and hide from your own admission that you were wrong. You said only yesterday that âVery well, according to the definition of objective which you use here then neither theâŚ. doll Hobbes nor the Hobbes whom Calvin seesâŚ.has objective realityâ. Youâre also contradicting and pathetically trying to hide from your own often repeated statement that âI am NOT arguing that Hobbes is realâ. How inane of you to contradict yourself.
âas well as subjective realityâ
Since subjective means not objective, and vice versa, your claim that the reality of Hobbes is âbothâ objective and subjective is an âA is A and not Aâ absurdity. It makes you astoundingly ignorant, insane, or both. I quote again:
The Law of Non-Contradiction is a foundational principle in both classical and modern logicâŚthis law states that contradictory statements cannot both be true at the same time and in the same senseâŚ. itâs integral to the way we think, reason, and understand reality.
So youâre not interested in having integrity of thought, reason, or understanding reality.
âWatterson explainedâ
My, youâre fond of reciting Watterson âgospelâ, as though quoting your C&H âgodâ renders logic and your own admissions meaningless. It doesnât. Watterson is no âgodâ. Heâs flat out wrong. What he said he didnât âseeâ was based on an assumption:
âIt would seem to me, though, that when you make up a friend for yourself, you would have somebody to agree with you, not to argue with you. So Hobbes is more real than I suspect any kid would (you lied and claimed he said could) dream up.â
Watterson DISPROVED his assumption by showing Calvin ENJOYING the fight with Hobbes. Calvin obviously WOULD do something he enjoys, so he WOULD imagine a friend who argues with him. That leaves him and you with NOTHING.
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about 4 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
You said âI agree with Bill Watterson that Hobbes is subjectiveâŚ.. I agree with Watterson that Hobbes is an example of the subjective nature of reality.â
You said âYou convinced me that subjective reality WOULD mean that Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.â You therefore logically admit that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
You ALSO admitted that the living Hobbes is NOT objectively real, and YOU said âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ, so you logically admit that the living Hobbes is imaginary.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is imaginary.
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about 4 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âCalvin imagined the caption SHARES PRIZE MONEY WITH TIGER FRIENDâ
So what? Calvinâs mind can easily acknowledge that others see the doll while deluding himself into thinking heâll share the money with his imaginary friend. He does much the same thing when he pretends that Hobbes is a five foot solid living animal while acknowledging that Hobbes is actually small enough to fit in the washing machine (a physical impossibility for a five foot solid living animal).
â Watterson showed us the photo that Calvin imagined NOT as Calvin imagined it but as other characters in the strip would see it.â
Nonsense. Youâve admitted that Calvin DID imagine the photo (there is no âwouldâ). Calvinâs mind was acknowledging that others would see the DOLL in a photo. To claim that we donât see what Calvin imagines is as nonsensical as claiming that when Watterson drew the alien worlds that Spiff visits, or the void of outer space that Calvin âtravelsâ in his toy wagon, that he wasnât showing what Calvin imagines AND sees. Your claim doesnât wash at all.
âwhen Hobbes IS alone, we see Hobbes as Calvin sees himâ
Again, so what? We see many things as Calvin sees them: Alien worlds, Calvin in the vacuum of space in a toy wagon, Calvin the size of a galaxy, etc. Obviously, readers seeing such things doesnât mean they are real in the world of the strip. Since you said âI did indeed say that Calvin COULD imagine Hobbes doing things when he was aloneâ, and âI agree that the strips of Hobbes on his own are not actual evidenceâ, such instances are meaningless as supportive of anything.
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about 6 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
You said âI agree with Bill Watterson that Hobbes is subjectiveâŚ.. I agree with Watterson that Hobbes is an example of the subjective nature of reality.â
You said âYou convinced me that subjective reality WOULD mean that Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.â You therefore logically admit that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
You ALSO admitted that the living Hobbes is NOT objectively real, and YOU said âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ, so you logically admit that the living Hobbes is imaginary.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is imaginary.
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about 6 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âCalvin obviously imagined A photo of himself with Hobbesâ
Yes, and Hobbes appeared as the DOLL he really is. Calvinâs mind was acknowledging that others would see the DOLL.
âWatterson showed us the photo NOT as Calvin WOULD imagineâ.
Nonsense. Youâve admitted that Calvin DID imagine the photo (there is no âwouldâ). Calvinâs mind was acknowledging that others would see the DOLL in a photo. To claim that we donât see what Calvin imagines is as nonsensical as claiming that when Watterson drew the alien worlds that Spiff visits, or the void of outer space that Calvin âtravelsâ in his toy wagon, that he wasnât showing what Calvin imagines AND sees. Your claim doesnât wash at all.
âWatterson said of Hobbes, âI suspect he is more real than any kid would make up.ââ
You still hold to my prediction that you will NEVER have the cojones to cite the COMPLETE Watterson quote:
âIt would seem to me, though, that when you make up a friend for yourself, you would have somebody to agree with you, not to argue with you. So Hobbes is more real than I suspect any kid would (you lied and claimed he said could) dream up.â
Watterson DISPROVED his assumption by showing Calvin ENJOYING the fight with Hobbes. Calvin obviously WOULD do something he enjoys, so he WOULD imagine a friend who argues with him. So Wattersonâs âsuspicionâ and what he didnât âseeâ had NO basis. In fact, he agreed with the statement that âchildren create imaginary friends to play out family dramas. So an argument can be just as much a part of an imaginary world as, you know, a sort of sentimental, gooey friendship can be.â
âCalvin WOULD imagine a friend who is more protective of him and more admiring towards him than Hobbes is.â
BS. Calvin ENJOYED the fight with Hobbes during the treehouse fight, where Hobbes called him a ânincompoopâ. Calvin obviously ENJOYED the lack of âadmirationâ. And Hobbes can do NOTHING to protect his âbest friendâ from Moe. An inconvenient fact for you.
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about 7 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âI am NOT arguing that Hobbes is realâ
Since something that is ânot realâ is imaginary by definition, and by not arguing that Hobbes is real, you are not arguing against Hobbes being unreal, ie IMAGINARY.
âWatterson stated that he did NOT see Hobbes as âa product of Calvinâs imaginationââ
What Watterson said he âdidnât seeâ was based on an ASSUMPTION he made:
âIt would seem to me, though, that when you make up a friend for yourself, you would have somebody to agree with you, not to argue with you. So Hobbes is more real than I suspect any kid would (you lied and claimed he said could) dream up.â
Watterson DISPROVED his assumption by showing Calvin ENJOYING the fight with Hobbes. Calvin obviously WOULD do something he enjoys, so he WOULD imagine a friend who argues with him. So Wattersonâs âsuspicionâ and what he didnât âseeâ had NO basis. In fact, he agreed with the statement that âchildren create imaginary friends to play out family dramas. So an argument can be just as much a part of an imaginary world as, you know, a sort of sentimental, gooey friendship can be.â
âI am impressed by the fact that Hobbes appears as Calvin sees him when he is alone.â
Since you said âI did indeed say that Calvin COULD imagine Hobbes doing things when he was aloneâ, and âI agree that the strips of Hobbes on his own are not actual evidenceâ, such instances are meaningless as supportive of anything.
You said âI agree with Bill Watterson that Hobbes is subjectiveâŚ.. I agree with Watterson that Hobbes is an example of the subjective nature of reality.â
You said âYou convinced me that subjective reality WOULD mean that Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.â You therefore logically admit that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
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about 21 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âAccording to YOUR argument âŚthen the world would also be imaginary because everyone sees the world differently.â
This is a nonsense claim by you. The world is obviously not imaginary. It is objectively real. The world within the strip is also obviously objectively real. Does Calvin âseeâ that his dad is not his dad, or his mom is not his mom? No. Does Calvin âseeâ that heâs not a little boy who lives in a house, has to attend school, must wait for the school bus, knows a girl named Susie, a kid named Moe, a teacher named Miss Wormwood, etc etc.? No. Neither does any other character in the strip. Thatâs because all those things (and many others) ARE objectively real within the strip. But the living Hobbes is NOT objectively real, (as you ADMITTED), and it is YOU who said âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ, so you logically admit that the living Hobbes is imaginary.
Your metaphysics (and Wattersonâs) are godawful. Both of you attempt a ludicrous false equivalence between subjective perception and thinking that an inanimate object is alive, or that fiction is reality. For example, one person may perceive chocolate as delicious and another person may perceive it as awful tasting, but no rational person would say that such a difference in perception is the same as thinking that a chocolate bar is alive. One woman may perceive a dress as ugly and another may perceive it as beautiful, but again, no rational person would say thatâs the equivalent of thinking that the dress is alive. One person may have a positive perception of the U.S., and another may have a negative perception, but again, no rational person would say thatâs the equivalent of thinking that the U.S. is part of the planet Vulcan.
But, of course, you are not rational, since you attempt to deny objective reality, logic, and rational metaphysics.
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about 23 hours ago
on Calvin and Hobbes
âAccording to YOUR argument that Hobbes must be imaginary because other characters see him differently from how Calvin sees himâ
It is YOU who said âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ, and since the living Hobbes is not perceived by perceived by all observers and is therefore not objectively real by its definition, you logically admit that the living Hobbes is imaginary.
ALSO, you try to run and hide from the fact that since it is an inanimate object, the washing machine is NOT a character NOR an observer, meaning your (and Wattersonâs) entire âcharacters see the world differentlyâ argument DOES NOT APPLY. The machine can ONLY hold what is OBJECTIVELY small enough to fit in it. Therefore, the true, objective size of Hobbes MUST be that of a DOLL. That is OBJECTIVE fact, as much an OBJECTIVE fact as Calvinâs father being unable to fit into Calvinâs clothes.
You said âI agree with Bill Watterson that Hobbes is subjectiveâŚ.. I agree with Watterson that Hobbes is an example of the subjective nature of reality.â
You said âYou convinced me that subjective reality WOULD mean that Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.â You therefore logically admit that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is only real in Calvinâs mind.
You ALSO admitted that the living Hobbes is NOT objectively real (since he is not perceptible by all observers, he does not fit the definition of something objectively real, logic that you said âvery wellâ to), and YOU said âa Hobbes without objective reality WOULD be an imaginary Hobbesâ, so you logically admit that the living Hobbes is imaginary.
Thanks again for your admission that the LIVING Hobbes is imaginary.